Veterans Job Corps: Under Fire?

June 04, 2012 |

Obama on the Veterans Job Corps

President Obama has announced a goal of getting legislation passed to start up a Veteran Jobs Corps to help Afghanistan and Iraq veterans get jobs as cops and firefighters, as well as other jobs serving their communities. 

According to the White House website, the program will aim to leverage skills developed in the military, with veterans “restoring our great outdoors by providing visitor programs, restoring habitat, protecting cultural resources, eradicating invasive species, and operating facilities. Through these opportunities, our veterans will help make a significant dent in the deferred maintenance of our Federal, State, local, and tribal lands including jobs that will repair and rehabilitate trails, roads, levees, recreation facilities and other assets.  Additionally the Veterans Job Corps will help veterans get back to work protecting our nation as first responders, such as police, firefighters, and emergency medical technicians. The program will serve all veterans, but will have a particular focus on post-9/11 veterans.” For a full video and transcript that outlines the program, see this page.

A new Army Times article suggests that the President may already be facing opposition to the legislation, and that a less expensive option is already available:

Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee chairman, said he doesn’t think the Veterans Job Corps is a good investment.

At a cost of $50,000 per veteran, the initiative would offer “no guarantee of a long-term position after government funding runs out,” Miller said.

In comparison, the Veterans Retraining Assistance Program, which provides up to one year of education benefits so unemployed veterans can learn a new, marketable skill, will cost $16,161 per veteran while preparing them for permanent jobs “in a high-demand industry such as manufacturing, technology and health care,” Miller said.

According to VA officials, only 12,200 people have applied for 45,000 funded VRAP positions for 2012. An additional 54,000 slots will open on Oct. 1.

Got an opinion on the Veterans Jobs Corps you want to get to your local representatives? You can make use of the Military.com Legislative Center to send your feedback; you can also sound off in the comments section below.

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Comments

  1. We can throw away billions of dollars on freedom hating despots in other countries but we cannot spend $ on our returning war vets? This is insane. I am tired of U.S. citizens getting wealthy while not serving and getting all the best paying jobs while our veterans get the crumbs. I would also like to see a bill passed that if a company takes government money you must ensure that at least 10% of your employees are veterans.

    • AFRETE6 says:

      I totally agree with you. I also have said to many as well as my congressional leaders that they have not done enough. I have been unemployed for over 22 months have an invisible disability where I have plates and screws. I tell them and I hope others listen to me that we need to send a loud message to all politicians. If your in your out. If your interested in bankers and wall street along with other businesses simply because they give political donations have them vote for you. Otherwise if you do nothing for veterans and stop sending billions to countries who don't want us there, while not training citizens for jobs then you don't need my vote. Senator Warner from Virginia wants Startup 2.0 where it will allow those from other countries attending universities to get green cards if they stay here for science, math, and other positions. I told him I have a Masters in Information systems but I can not get employed while you want to bring in more cheap labor like Microsoft started in the 70's NO MORE! So citizens I beg of you to send the same messages to your congressional leaders. If they do not want to start doing things for U.S. Citizens then start packing your bags. Veterans need to band together and get these corrupted politicians out. Even if we have to go to the grass roots and start another party to not align with either side.

  2. KAO1865 says:

    I'm not an Obama fan but I honestly think this sounds like a good idea.

    • Chris Porter says:

      Finally, you are seeing the "LIGHT." The GOP/Romney do not like the "POOR,""VETERANS." The GOP's want to take away our little benefits. Most "VETS," do not know that the "VA." Deduct money from your travel claims because the GOP's passed a law and GW signed into law, so whenever you go to the VA, you pay a deductible for your travel clain as if it is "INSURANCE." The GOP's want to take away our benfits and give it to the "RICH FOLKS."

  3. Bo Bojangles says:

    Obama is not thinking Forward. He's thinking 70 years with all these Jobs Corps.
    And what if most vets are hired as the next cops … they will on be acused of racism the next time they arrest a Trayvon type thug.

    • Thug says:

      Although ignorant, you do make a interesting point.

    • HM3 says:

      Really! Think about what you just said.

    • A.F retired says:

      Another racist comment on military.com… we’re starting to make Yahoo forum “mild”.

    • top dog says:

      Trayvon wasn't arrested by a cop, he was murdered by a thug…..who wasn't a COP.

    • Disappointed in you says:

      Please before you make a comment do your homework. Obama isn't the first President to do this, when I retired from the Navy they had a cop to shop program. This program was identical to the proposal Obama is trying to establish. I personally know several members that took advantage of the program and is still employed as a police, firemen and even teachers. The program was a success and get this, a white President started it and almost all of the Veterans I personally know whom took advantage of the program is white. uninformed devils like you that speak untrue statements and always bringing up race issues are the modern enemy of the state. Dedicated Veterans committed to securing freedom for all Americans deserve more from people like you. Before you call Trayvon a thug consider this, Trayvon never tried to divide America, he never harmed anyone except the person that was trying to do him harm. You on the other hand is a disgrace to America. You are trying to destroy the memory of the people that fought for your freedom because you are too scared to do it for yourself. I would take Trayvon any day over you coward.

    • PlaneGuyB1B says:

      @Bo Bojangles Your ignorance and narrow-mindedness are astounding! Broad-based, portrayals such as yours only perpetuates a myth that hurts those who have defended your right to be a jerk.

  4. IraqiStan Vet says:

    Doc,

    Jeff Miller actually does a lot in the interest of our Vets. That said, who cares if he served.

    If you read his comment, “no guarantee of a long-term position after government funding runs out,”. Seems to me he wants a long term fix, not some band aid election year promise.

    Thank you for your service!

    • the wize 1 says:

      Give me an example of what he's done for vets.

    • top dog says:

      Miller said, "this is not a good investment", sense when is investing in our vets NOT a good investment???? Miller just wan't his chance to say "NO" before this get to the house.

  5. nick rovero says:

    Personally I believe that in order to protect and serve. You first need to serve. It would be a true testament to the men and women of our armed forces to be given an opportunity to use what they have learned through the yrs of military service. Being a veteran who has served in both iraq and afghanistan. This would facilitate the process of joining the law enforcement community

    • HM3 says:

      I agree with you, 100%.

    • magnumpi51 says:

      For starters, I'm definetly not an Obama fan. But it would be great If they could make a program that would give veterans a choice when they are honorably discharged, to transfer right into a civil service job such as police, firefighter, and EMT. Without having to jump through hoops like it is now. It's just way too competitive the way it is now. Even with extra points given on exams and veterans preferance. Although there may be a lot of veterans that get out at the same time, everyone has different hometowns. I know that in my hometown of Fair Lawn, NJ. There isn't a whole lot of war veterans from Iraq and Afganistan. I was one of the first to join in the beggining of the war. Everyone thought I was friggen nuts for joining. The town is filled with rich spoiled kids.

    • Torpedoman Mate says:

      You are absolutely on the right track my friend.

    • Brad says:

      That doesn't help those individuals which can't pass or get DQ at MEPS but yet they can serve their local, county, and state municipality? Do have a way for people with minor disabilities or past surgical histories that get DQ'd at MEPs a way to pass those DoD standards to be able to serve their country. I'm an ex cop with college degrees but I'm unable to server my country because I'm deaf in one ear. Got a fix for that, Nick?

  6. OldGrumpyMSgt says:

    VRAP gives those Veterans more of a choice at the vocation they WANT to be in, not the few laborer or first responder type jobs that many Veterans don't want, for it's an extension of their military service in many minds, for Police, Firefighters and EMTs are run as para-military organizations with similar rank, policy and procedures. While this may be a welcome safe option for some Vets, it is very limiting to many others who want to broaden thier potential and experience by being provided an opportunity to learn whatever skills they personally feel they are not only best suited for, but most motivated to be successful at. So, as a vet who retired in 2003 and built a great life for myself working for a DoD contractor company doing what I truly enjoy, give Vets the chance to choose thier own path, VRAP does that, VJC does not. Obama is NOT FDR, not by a long shot, so for him to even phathom this type of program without truly understanding the needs of Vets is a misdirected additional waste of Government funds. Whether Jeff Miles serverd or not, he is still giving Vets more options and respect as individuals and not charity cases.

    • the wize 1 says:

      That is why the G.I bill is there, so that you can pursue whatever else you want. This program seems to be inclined to service positions within the Government sector.

    • Chuck says:

      Nobody is abdicating removing that program. Why not have an alternative option? Not everyone is suited to academia. Some are better suited to learn hands on. Capsulizing our vets to fit one package will never work. That is why so many vets have trouble transitioning back to civilian life.

    • Tom says:

      VRAP is a joke. You have to pay for your schooling out of the $1473 a month you get. It is better than nothin, but it is just to conger up votes!!!

    • Torpedoman Mate USN says:

      Sorry dude you are years too late and misinformed. I retired 1997 and this program was around then. The President who implemented the program was considered a savior to Vets. As far as choosing their own path goes, no one told them they has to use this program, this is just another path to use to achieve their goals. Please stop making it sound like Obama is saying " Vets has to be fireman's or cops". Jeff Miles is not giving more options to Vets, you are twisting the statements to sound different.

  7. John Cousineau says:

    The county already has a jobs program suppose to have been for veterans. It’s called Civil Service. It was started for World War Vets. Lets use the programs that are already in place as suggested. We don’t need new administrators for new programs and years to get them to work.

    • HM3 says:

      Wow! Are you serious? The system needs to be revamped. The VA is very inefficient when it comes to providing for Vets. In order to change it we need our own people in certain political positions.

      • Poppy says:

        By this comment it's obvious you have never been to the VA and have only listened to those who also demean the VA who also have never been to the VA.

    • Mary says:

      You're right, but I've been applying for Civil Service positions since 1998 and have yet to be picked up for anythiing. I attended Voc Rehab and became a paralegal, served 12 years in the military, my specialty was logistics and you're telling me, I can get a job in Civil Service. It's really not that easy. Infact, now that you've mentioned this, I'm going to run a copy of all my submissions with their comments, and send them to the main headquarters or my senator, and maybe between the two, someone can come up with an answer that makes sense.

  8. John Cousineau says:

    The county already has a jobs program suppose to have been for veterans. It’s called Civil Service. It was started for World War Vets. Lets use the programs that are already in place as suggested. We don’t need new administrators for new programs and years to get them to work.

    • Torpedoman Mate USN says:

      Have you tried getting a job with Civil Service lately? what is the comparison to Veterans and civilians employees?

  9. Kevin says:

    I hate to bust his bubble but most of the people coming back suffer from PTSD or so they call it now PTS. You have to go through a psych test before they will accept you into training. This also goes for boader patrol as to even doing a security position. I have a client that just went through this as he wanted to become an armed guard. Went through the phsyc test and failed. He can’t even get back to just doing security jobs without carrying a weapon. Do you research folks.

    • Jerrell says:

      See, this is just the kind of thinking that does not help. Maybe I grew up on tough streets and saw a lot of people killed. I don't need a psych test. Instead, I spent 15 years in the military before I deployed to Iraq. I served at a staff command, in the Special Forces, and in an expeditionary south Korean unit. I have worn woodlands and deserts my entire career, oh I'm Navy, and going to Iraq was crappy. I was working for an Army battalion and the stress broke me, but I continued to push through and yeah I've had some rough times since. I've been diagnosed with PTSD, but does that make me any different from someone that lived through a dangerous childhood and are messed up about it? Hell no. Just because I have PTSD doesn't mean I am going to go postal. It just means that I am still dealing with things. It took me five years to start to get over my best friend since 3rd grad being murdered a decade ago. Pretty sure getting over Iraq is gonna be just as hard.

    • Poppy says:

      They only ask if you have been discharge on a disability from the military and what percentage, they do NOT ask you what the disability was! A psych test is easy to pass unless you're really a foolish test taker and start mouthing off about stuff that isn't being addressed. There is NO cross checking between government departments and the military/VA to determine whether you are seeing a psychiatrist either, so unless you give them the "bad" info on you then they can't get it!!! Be wise and don't volunteer any details.

    • Torpedoman Mate USN says:

      OK you had one client that failed I know hundreds of people that passed. I know a lot of people that has never been in the military that failed. Nothing is 100%. I know people in your profession that is in jail, should you now become a suspect? Do your research!!!!

  10. Nate from Georgia says:

    I was told that the VRAP was to aid UNEMPLOYED veterans get training to get re-established and 'back on our feet'! BUT, I discovered that I had to provide the initial tuition and book fees UP FRONT! $2,300.00. How many unemployed people have that kind of money and start-up fees after a long period of unemployment. Whoever put that plan together may have had good intentions but lacked the thought and planning required for implementation.

    • John Traveller says:

      Or- more likely – they never intended the program to apply to any non-Officer veterans, just like many other so-called get the veterans back to Work Programs that the Veterans Administration oversee's. The same goes for Helping Homeless Vets- have you seen the kind of "accommodations" and where they are located that they offer homeless veterans? Criminal neighborhoods, old apartment complexes that landlords never upgraded, and always the Veteran who refuses and wants to look for a better place is called "ungrateful" or is just dropped entirely without another word. Woe be it to the Veteran's who served before the current batch of youth-soldiers, they are often forgotten entirely for these programs or put on immensely long waiting lists – until they give up- (years literally), while Fat Cat landlords in nicer area's refuse to even rent to veterans or give Disabled Veterans a break on poor credit ratings-brought on by their disabilities. So easy to "Just Say No" to them, and look for the more well-heeled renters instead. .

    • Michael from GA says:

      Nate: That's a roadblock but you can get sufficient Student Aid which you pay back over the time of your training or after. I'd urge you to apply to VRAP, look for what's available and then go for it. There's a lot of online programs so if your technical college is lame where you are then look around. I'd look at Cybercrime and Health IT, there are a few cert programs out there. They'll even do CDL truck driver, which wasn't on the USDOL list (which itself is lame) but they'll be adding it shortly from my intel sources. I'll be headed to Gwinnett Tech for cybercrime in the fall, and I'm already got some credits for it under my belt since I have some IT certs already. I believe the TCSG allows online access to all technical college courses in GA (tcsg.edu) so do a little research, it may pay!

  11. John Roberts says:

    What about the Vietnam Vets, are we too old? I guess we are subject to the Obama Death Panels!

    • John Rodgers says:

      Yes, if you are a Vietnam Veteran, such as my dad, whom is 69, you are too old to work as a first responder.

      • Poppy says:

        Even the Wounded Warrior Program that was started by a Nam vet doesn't want any Nam vets to apply .. we're shafted and forgotten about again!! I guess they figure if we haven't already committed suicide or been eaten up with cancer from Agent Orange then we don't need any help for us our families!

  12. John Michael Calitri says:

    Veterans use your leadership skills learned
    in the military to form companies and compete in the marketplace. Many Vietnam
    Veterans are ready to help you. Specialist
    John Michael Calitri , Vetrepreneur, Centrepreneur, & Texas Entrepreneur
    cvcalitri@att.net & jmcvc@att.net

    • Jerrell says:

      True. Even Jimmie Doolittle made his mark here in the Omaha area.

      However, with the economy right now it is hard to be an upstart (I've being trying for two years).

    • Poppy says:

      So Mr Calitri just how does Commonwealth Venture Creation, Inc. propose to help Nam vets tap into their skills learned 40+/- years ago? I'd like to know your answer, seriously.

  13. Linwood Windsor says:

    One 1/2 says for the firms to hire a Vet. the other 1/2 is firing the Vet.
    Thus I would not suggest the military as a career option as the career may end at the 4 year point. training maybe.

  14. Mike56thSPS says:

    I suppose that no one is going to be happy until our veterans futures parelell the experience of defeated German WWI veterans pre Hitler. No jobs, no food, no hope, they ran as gangs withonly their comraderie to solidify them, the horror of a war shared as brothers to serve as the glue to unite them. Inaction will cripple this nation and drive us to the brink of destuction. "My people perish for lack of vision". Anyone who is not doing all that he can with all sincerity to seek an employed nation, an educated nation will no doubt suffer alongside the hopes of those whom have no hope. I for one a Vietnam war era Veteran of over ten years service have lost hope in this nation to rise to the task. Those that have; have it all, and still want more the rest of us are even less than the cannon fodder we provided for a nation of the priviledged and enriched who have no concept of service to others or the common good. Me and my brothers worked for "Standard Oil", we will repeat our failures as a nation for the same Oil Barrons and sacrifice our children to BP, Exon, etc. this time they will all volunteer because if they want to eat they will have to serve, in my book thats slavery.

    • stephen sivonda says:

      Yes, right you are. I was in the Navy from '62 to '67, and I feel as you do. I've come to the conclusion that anyone running for the senate-congress or as Prez/V.Prez should be required to have 4 years active military service to run for office. Than maybe they'd think long and hard before starting wars like going into Iraq based on lies and mis-information. GW Bush didn't even cut it with the Air Nat. Guard, -the records show he wasn't even there most of the time. Cheney was the shadow Prez….war criminals both .

    • it's what happens when people do not learn history Mike…

    • yout25 says:

      Interesting post. You can't expect much from a nation that brought Nazi scientist over from Germany. They hadn't committed enough atrocities with the six million they had already exterminated, so they figured what the heck, let's bring them over to a civilized nation and merk off some more. Just think, if someone had actually used their power for good instead of evil, then you would have seen flying cars by now, can't have that though, disgusting behavior trumps civilized behavior.

      "Got the bubble headed bleach blonde comes on at five, she can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye. It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry."

      Just think, that's what mankind is all about, now isn't that something to brag about?

      You have the slaves that are monitored by other slaves. Everyone is a prisoner, even the rich. They are a slave to their disgusting habits and their disgusting deeds. Why do you think alcoholic beverage sales are at their all time high in sales? I mean really folks, if all you do is sit around and devise evil, what exactly have you got? Sad but true, and people do not like truth.

  15. NavyCook says:

    As a 13 year Vet I'm appalled to see that we are treated like pawns. It appears to me that Obama is just trying to buy the military vote. While I have a great deal of respect for the Police, Fire Department, and EMT's, I have no desire to do any of those jobs; but I guess in the eyes of Obama, I'm not capable of anything else. Well I have news for you Mr. President… Your Wrong! And by the way, you can keep the "Change"

    • HM3 says:

      Life is a chess match. You need to position yourself in order to get a checkmate. Use others like they use you.

      • Mike56thSPS says:

        Your a mess, use others, what are you thinking, did you serve to use others???

  16. the wize 1 says:

    Why is it that when it comes to trying to help the American people, in this case veterans, people are against it… We spend trillions of dollars on these two wars, without blinking an eye, yet when we want to spend money on Americans everyone is outraged?… we build chow halls in iraq for 30 million, just to be torn down the week after its built, and somehow spending money for Veterans here in America is Too much!, ??Think about it….

    • Ummm… I ate in those chow halls in Iraq and trust me, they are not worth $30M. They were better in '08 than they were in '05 (and non-existent in '03) but they're not $30M structures.

      • DHend2012 says:

        I dont think they are 30 m either, but then again, I am pretty sure we paid for some inflated prices here and there.

        Reminds me of what someone told me once

        " you know how republicans tend to be pro military ? , well they are not, they are pro military contractors "

        LOL, some truth in that.

    • Poppy says:

      I'm not against jobs for veterans, but this is nothing more than a COPY of FDR's 1939 Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) that took unskilled workers and gave them jobs doing "made work" making paths in parks and building roads … as soon as the temporary funds run out then you'll be right back looking for another job, and you will have waisted years of your life for nothing that a future employer would consider as "gainful employment" on you resume.

  17. Guest says:

    I am a VET..and my gi bill is totally used up, I even used the post-9-11 bill. IS there any hope for me to continue my education. I want a PHD. If anyone can help..email xobashir@hotmail.com

    • thagoods says:

      Yeah go to work and pay for some of your education!!!!!!!!! Do you want all of it free!! Do some public work!

    • Gail says:

      Did you apply for the Yellow Ribbon Program to help with your education, once your Post 911 and MGIB benefits ran out?

  18. Dave says:

    Vets need help – that's clear. Here is my suggestion :
    Have several options for Vets, based on the financial hardship.

    Program A (for the fin hardest hit vets or for those with no marketable skills) :
    1. Completely free of any cost and even some payments for completing classes and fin aid for transportation to those class. Free Tutoring. Maybe even a close to school basic and low cost/or free Housing complex only for Vets that also go to that school. Keep vets focused on the study.
    2. Have a contract with companies to provide 100% employment to those Vets that just had graduated their training! That is very important. After 1 year of paid employment the company (with extra fin and tax incentives to hire new) lets go of that one and hires/provides employment to a new Vet graduate. This will allow new grads to have employment. Those that worked for 1 year will be transferred to a different company to work as now they are more trained and more qualified and more marketable. This is also done with govt incentives to the new company and is pre-arranged prior to that Vet's being transferred out of the initial company.
    Now you can see that Vets will get busy as there will be a guaranteed network and path to follow until 3-5 years of solid experience. After the school is over, they will get salary, not wages, they can pay for housing themselves. School and training can be paid with GI Bill with no restrictions or limitations that now exist. Application process must become very easy and no bureaucratic red tapes! That is the only way to do it.
    Vets will always have the employment and if they find a job on their own, they are welcome and encouraged financially to jump out off that "network" and the companies that hire them also gets some incentive as well for as long as that Vet is there working 40hrs per week!!! IT IS A MUST!!!!

    • frederick mitchell says:

      I like your response simply because it is inclusive of those vets with skills and those needing to be educated to gain a skill.

    • Poppy says:

      Don't worry about the naysayers that voted thumbs down on your idea. They are unemployed because they are negative. You have a good workable idea which is more than our current president and congress have! Too bad the only way it will happen is thru congressional action, so now sell it to your congressman or whoever is running against one of the incumbent doofuses in our government!

    • Aj Morgan says:

      No offense Dave, in a perfect world that "might" work, but what about the thousands of vets with families already, moving into a housing complex to go to school full-time, how do they support their families (not just rent, but food, clothing, ect…)?
      If the military pushed more for education WHILE ACTIVE-DUTY more, this issue wouldn't be as big of a factor as it is. TA is available to anyone serving on active-duty, but it's up to the active-duty member to take the steps to use it.
      I don't think promising jobs to vets OVER the rest of American's is the way to go, but I think they should have a leg-up (as it is done now in the DOD world with points), but all jobs should come down to who is the most qualified for the position.
      I don't agree with a woman or a "minority" getting a job over someone just because of that fact, it's wrong. BTW- the minority is now white males, but they still aren't getting the benefit of being the minority.
      So you know, I am a woman, married to an active-duty Navy Corpsman for over 18 years and I'm also a Vet of the Navy, I have my Masters in a field that is only 60% manned at any time and I've been looking for employment for over 2 years.
      I would HATE to get a job just because I was a Vet or military spouse…I want to get a job because I am the best qualified for the position!

  19. freakydeaky says:

    Here's how to get a federal government job: Forget about all the BS government programs! Do it the old fashioned way — become friends with the right people! I see it all the time in the federal workplace I'm in. By the way, I wasn't friends with anyone, I just took a job no one wanted. After being there for years, I noticed the same old crap – It's not what you know, it's who you know. They have "friends" preference but when they hire a vet it's " why do you get special treatment?" If they call this special treatment, I don't know what it's called when their friends get hired?

    • DHend2012 says:

      This is sadly true.

    • 8404Doc says:

      I've experienced this personally. I applied for a job as a medical records clerk at a local VA Hospital and was passed over for someone "with more experience". I found out later that they already had a civilian candidate picked out for the position prior to the job even being posted and the job posting was just for appearances. As for my "lack of experience, I had been an FMF corpsman for the eight years prior to applying for this job and individually handled the medical records of no less than 300 Marines at any given time. So much for Vet's preference…

      • Poppy says:

        Apply for another and another until you get in!! It doesn't even have to be in the field you have some training in … be a file clerk, or a data entry clerk… an accountant with an MBA may be hired by the Army as a GS5 Accountant because he will have to be completely retrained before he will be able to be a accountant the way the Department of the Army does accounting. As this fictional accountant learns he will be jumping grades as he moves up to GS7 then GS9 then GS11 etc. Once you're in you will be able to have your choice of jobs … just keep trying!!

      • My agency has to hire veterans first. We had a woman here who had experience in the position and the director wanted to hire her. She didn't make the cut due to the number of veterans that applied. We have now hired two veterans for positions in our office. When I started with them 9 years ago, we had less that 10% of the workforce that were veterans. We are now over 30% and growing.

  20. DHend2012 says:

    For myself, IT and Intel is my back ground, nothing here for me.

    Been to 3 Vet Job fairs, about useless. Tech companys showing up with booths but not hiring.

    • Are you on LinkedIn? What is your IT specialty? Most jobs are coming from social media sources (professional ones) like LinkedIn.com For professional jobs, Monster, CareerBuilder, etc are getting kind of useless. it's all word of mouth. Check you local Dept of Employment services. They should have a Vet Rep there as well meetups to get people networking.

      • DHend2012 says:

        Yeah, I have accounts with all those, no hits so far. Temp work i did picked up with Clearnce jobs .com but notihng to permanent.

        As to word of mouth/networking that really is the best way, I agree. Going to have to get back into playing golf again I guess.

        As to my speicailty, Prior to the Army I was a Network Tech and Lead tech for EHS(Eastern health Systems) as well as taught A+ and Net+ at night at tech school, Ive been out of the field the last 7 years due to my second enlistment with the Army, but becuase IP ver 4 and 6 will always remain 4 and 6, and the 3 Layers of software on a couputer will always be 3 layers of software(unless your using VM). Having a solid knowledge of foundation just means Learning a new application interface with everything behind it remaining the same.

        These days though, I am tempted to go back to school to specialize on something web based.

  21. Robert says:

    At some point vets need to make the decision to do for themselves. I served as a combat arms soldier in the Army before being medically retired after 16 years. I used my GI Bill to go back to school and have made at least a six figure salary since finishing school.

    • Mike56thSPS says:

      Sorry your medically retired, but have you honestly thought out that statement. You have recieved much more help than you can truly appreciate from a system who turns their back many others who have contributed the same way you did. We offered up our very lives to a country who now says that it is beyond them to keep their promises to their Veterans who offered up those lives to secure the very freedom to renig on their promises. Wake up brother, you have been given a gift secured with your sacrifice and the sacrifices of others, don't be a part of the problem, help those who have made the same commitment as you did. Six figures, perhaps you could hire me to cut your lawn.

  22. Johnny says:

    I feel that companies with unions purposely push off and out veterans.mainly because I’ve experienced it my mothers whole life and mine a total of 70 working years. If we could get rid of unions nepotism and the worst of the entities is state local federal and post office jobs. Postal union actually got one of tgere goons to crash into my postal van just to get me fired. The corruption in government jobs is sickening. Opening up these jobs to veterans especially management positions it will help us to get more of these jobs.

    • Chuck says:

      Large majority of post persons are veterans…do research before not thinking and writing. There are certain, (should be more) federal agencies that largely hire vets, as a result of Vets Preference. I hear routinely of non-vets complaining that they can't get hired into positions because there is 'always' a vet hired over them…the response of my leadership to those complaints…the law allows it, and we comply with the law'!

    • The deputy director of my agency is a veteran and also still serves in the National Guard. He has been to Iraq and Afghanistan with his reserve unit and still has his job. We have a lot of veterans working for my agency, myself included and we are an integral part of the agency. We are with the USDA so it isn't a defense job.

  23. skip stewart says:

    Well, all these Ideas are fine and dandy. But they have been laying off Police and Fire Fighters in all communities throughout the USA. So how are the Vets suppose to get jobs in these fields. Whats going to happen to the ones that already lost there jobs. I love pipe dreams of this president. Lots of talk but no action. A disabled vet speaking here.

    • Mike56thSPS says:

      How much action can the President proceed with with an obstructionist Republican congress who says no to everything. Your disabled, I'm disabled because I live in John Boehners district.

      • Frank Brown says:

        Hey Mike….

        The Prez had a democratic congress for two years and what did he pass?? the guy is just full of ***!

        • Andrew says:

          Would have to agree Frank. You will find that the Hope and Change crowd will always drink the koolaide. They thought that a lifelong politician, from the city of Chicago (bastion of corruption) who spent a lifetime blowing taxpayers dollars, leaving his State in a state of financial calamity and moving on to the U.S. Senate which has such a fine reputation for screwing things up would do any better as a president.
          They got exactly what the facts would predict.

    • top dog says:

      They are being layed off only in the "red states" my friend, only in the red states.

  24. Gary says:

    I served in Operation Iraqi Freedom / Enduring Freedom, used my GI Bill after getting out and went to college. Recieved my Associate's degree which is really like a high school diploma in todays job market. I haven't been able to get a job anywhere and its not for lack of trying. Companies say they want to help vets and hire vets but its all talk. They would still much rather hire someone that has a highly technical degree or license over someone who served Honorably in the military for six years.

  25. Not to be ugly, but this is the same president that threatened the pay of military members how many times last year? OH wait, now our military means something because it's election year…that's right. I guess that was ugly, but it is what it is.

    • Mike56thSPS says:

      It was the Republican Congress that theatened your military pay, not the President.

  26. Manny DL says:

    I agree VRAP retraining program offers a better alternative in making our returning vets become more competitive in the civilian market. Many of our vets although gained enough experience while in the military, the are not as nearly competitive for other type of jobs available in their area. At a price of $16,000 under VRAP w/ better job outlook upon graduation vs $50,000 under Job Corp which when run out so goes the veteran's employment, VRAP is clearly a better choice.

  27. old-fart says:

    This is politics in an election year plain and simple. Obama didn't start giving a shit about veterans until this last year. He voted against the war and he voted against the surge NOW he want's to something to help the vets. To the Vets, suck it up. Your coming home to the same workforce and unemployment that we did. Polotics gets us into war and polotics is what stops us from winning wars. They all want us on their side to win their wars of polotics to get elected to lead us into more wars. If they keep you on a government check for the rest of your life then it only matters who is going to give you more. Then your hooked for life.

    • Soldier in Afghanistan says:

      In addition to your spot on comment: What kind of Commander In Chief pulls out troops in the middle of the fighting season, as part of the accelerated draw down when we have the Taliban on the ropes?
      The President will be able to say that he’s bringing the troops home during the final month of the campaign and have the numbers to back up the statement, but at what cost to the war effort. The drawdown is a political decission, and not a strategic or tactical one.

  28. J Frawley says:

    I applaud the President’s efforts to get veterans retrained. His administration has the right idea “retrain to be in the emergency services”. However, due the nature of the fighting that has or is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. There happens to be a big problem standing in the way. PTSD. Most psychologists look at this as a stigma a very negative one. I know because I have a been a victim of it. I decided that I would swallow my pride as a combat hardened Marine and seek help. That was in 2007. I received group therapy treatment from the VA. I’m not “crazy”..I saw things that yes I volunteered for. But that no man should ever have to see. I then tried to go the route the president is suggesting..I am more then capable of performing the tasks of a police officer. Many of my friends are police officers. They tell me I would be a good police officer. Un fortunately, due to my honesty of my condition and the NYPD’s hiring policies I am just another statistic. I am too proud to collect a welfare check, its too expensive for me to go to school to retrain or ill have to live out of my car. Fast forward to 2012 and I’m in the restaurant industry, scrambling to make ends meet. I applaud your efforts Mr President but whether they are motivated by trying to appease those of us with “false hope” or actual care will be debated by those on the left and the right. We the troops have done everything you have asked us to do on the battlefield, helped you to achieve your political goals. I need a program that will actually work. This isnt’t going to. The experts have already decided that people with PTSD cannot hold positions in high stress jobs, but the question I pose to you is “If I had to power to drop buildings with a radio call and didn’t then why can’t I carry a pistol and protect the citizens of America the same way I did the Iraqis?

    The writer is a former Corporal in the U.S. Marines who served two combat tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2004. He is an registered independent.

  29. J Frawley says:

    I applaud the President’s efforts to get veterans retrained. His administration has the right idea “retrain to be in the emergency services”. However, due the nature of the fighting that has or is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. There happens to be a big problem standing in the way. PTSD. Most psychologists look at this as a stigma a very negative one. I know because I have a been a victim of it. I decided that I would swallow my pride as a combat hardened Marine and seek help. That was in 2007. I received group therapy treatment from the VA. I’m not “crazy”..I saw things that yes I volunteered for. But that no man should ever have to see. I then tried to go the route the president is suggesting..I am more then capable of performing the tasks of a police officer. Many of my friends are police officers. They tell me I would be a good police officer. Un fortunately, due to my honesty of my condition and the NYPD’s hiring policies I am just another statistic. I am too proud to collect a welfare check, its too expensive for me to go to school to retrain or ill have to live out of my car. Fast forward to 2012 and I’m in the restaurant industry, scrambling to make ends meet. I applaud your efforts Mr President but whether they are motivated by trying to appease those of us with “false hope” or actual care will be debated by those on the left and the right. We the troops have done everything you have asked us to do on the battlefield, helped you to achieve your political goals. I need a program that will actually work. This isnt’t going to. The experts have already decided that people with PTSD cannot hold positions in high stress jobs, but the question I pose to you is “If I had to power to drop buildings with a radio call and didn’t then why can’t I carry a pistol and protect the citizens of America the same way I did the Iraqis?

    The writer is a former Corporal in the U.S. Marines who served two combat tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2004. He is an registered independent.

  30. USA Vet says:

    Let us try someone else for president, this guy is in of over his big head drowning us in debt… another spend money idea to try and scratch up some veteran votes.

    • Mike56thSPS says:

      Yes throught the baby out with the bathwater. I hope you will enjoy the comming poverty from Mitt as he fiinshes the job the GOP, the Banks, Wall Street, Coorperations, and the mega rich have done to this great nation. Perhaps Mitt will move the government offshore and hire even more offshore IT firms to handle our customer service. Hope you enjoy taking to someone from Deli answering you call from the IRS demanding payment from the taqxes you will not be able to pay.

  31. Bee says:

    President Obama needs to stop creating new programs and utilize the ones that are already established. If there is money to create new programs, there is money to pay the cost of living increase to Federal employees. The Federal workforce has many veterans, military retiree's and their family members.

    • Mike56thSPS says:

      President Obama is creating programs, yes he's even doing Conresses job for them. Last time I checked it is Congress's job to make the laws and bring policy to the table, but if they refuse to act, the President has little choice but to try to introduce something which can eliminate this awful poverty being created.

  32. USA Vet says:

    It is called the "Good Old Boy system" and it is almost everywhere that Gov jobs give priority to employ Vets, who have Veterans working in key positions and management.

  33. RetiredNelson says:

    Hello there warrior. I am also a medically retired Corporal of Marines and I was discharged because of a TBI and PTSD. Becoming a cop was the only thing I ever wanted to do, knowing that I can’t become a cop being diagnosed with PTSD just tears me up inside. I even have a cousin on the force that even recommended me. That didn’t even help. So many veterans returning home from OIF and OEF get hired as cops only because they did not file a claim with the VA upon returning home from war. What is the difference between a vet returning home from a combat zone being involved in an IED blast or taking place in firefights and a vet returning home only being involved in firefights? My argument is that I think anyone who returns home from an active combat zone will have some firm of PTSD whether diagnosed or not. My one deployment to Iraq only made me stronger though I have been through some rough few years. I know personally I could still protect and serve my country and my city.

  34. Justavet says:

    As a disabled Vietnam vet I appreciate and understand the job challenges facing our veterans. However, just throwing money at the problem is not the answer. For years I have witnessed the inefficiency and ineptitude of the government.

    Police and fire fighting positions are very competitive and have physical, intellectual and psychological requirements. There are many more applicants than positions. If you look at the make up of most departments they are already heavily veteran populated.

    Health care also falls into two of those categories of requirements. The need today is for (besides doctors) nurses and technicians. The current GI Bill covers the educational needs if one is qualified.

    So what is this supposed "job corp" supposed to do? From what is said here the great majority the money is being used "to restoring our great outdoors by providing visitor programs, restoring habitat, protecting cultural resources, eradicating invasive species, and operating facilities." How many veterans does it take to clean streams, greet visitors and cut trails?

    This is plain stupid. In reading some of the comments from our current crop of veterans, these are not the type of positions (if one would call them that) what one would call a career path.

    Yes, I agree our country needs to help our veterans. The better way to do it would be to hugely reward private and public sector job creators with the financial incentive. Think of it this way, a county hires a new deputy sheriff and the federal government pays the county $50,000 over a period of 4 years to offset the veterans pay. Or, a private employer does the same and is relieved of paying the FICA portion of the veterans pay until the $50,000 is used. I am sure you will agree that would surely entice both government and private employers to be looking at the benefits of hiring a vet. And, it would be 100% cost effective with very little bureaucracy involved.

  35. Bill Elmore says:

    30% of vets in the labor market are self employed small business owners and the Administration still does not get it. Revise the GI Bill to be used for entrepreneurial training then for equity or collateral for a start up or expansion loan. Provide small business sole source and set aside opportunity for any small business that hires vets and Reserve Component members as 30% or more of its work force, and create a volunteer advise and mentoring core of successful vets and others who will share their expertise with returning and start up vet entrepreneurs.

    • DHend2012 says:

      I like your post.

      That is idealy how i would like to use my GI Bill. I am aware a VA loan can be used similarly in regards to franchises, but I am currently using mine for my home.

  36. Anon says:

    Partof the issue is translating military skills into civillian ones. I work for a defense contractor, heavily populated with vets and even I can't understand some of the jobs vets have done when reading their resumes because they are too "green". The Armed services need to do a better job of preparing vets for job seeking before they get out. Also, your training means nothing without certifications. Certifications are the key-not degrees. Especially in IT. The services also need to do a better job of stressing this point to vets who are transistioning to civillian life. You gotta prep for it. It's abrutal job market out here.

  37. Twisted Left says:

    This is little more than an election year gimick by the Campaigner in Chief. He would love to have another victim minority group to pull up under his umbrella of usefull idiots. Don't fall for this crap. Don't be a victim!

  38. walter12 says:

    Only a fool or an idiot would believe anything this monster Obama says. Come on, you people are smarter than that.

  39. Tony says:

    I see a lot of vets upset at this program having opposition. Did you read the article? It said they have a program that teaches vets another field that would give them permanent jobs not temporary jobs that will run out when the funding ran out just like the bailout money of 09. All of these freeway jobs are just temporary jobs cause once the roads have been repaired then the hired will be laid off. Let's wake up in this country. Another thing is the fireman and the policemen are being laid off or a hiring freeze is happening so where are the jobs for the vets? Oh yeah they want to raise taxes for this to. Lets let capitalism work not socialism.

  40. ljscoutinfront says:

    If any body has hit the job market as a veteran with no job experince has prob encountered that lots of jobs out there want to hire you, untill they find out that you dont have enough experience for them. so you go to one of the top schools for training for those type of jobs and try again. Similar response love to hire but you dont have actual experience sorry. 9 out 10 times its insurance related the employers dont carry insurance coverage for for the inexperienced. How do you get experience someone gives you a chance or like been stated before good ol boy system. Its the laws and regs that make it this way. like been stated several times above theres many jobs veterans not able to do due to injury or illness and a new program for these veterans to do jobs that are not in high demand or not able to do them is not the best idea.

  41. eugene okamoto says:

    That's all they do in Congress. Oppose one another. No wonder nothing gets done!! Find us Vets jobs man! A small gratitude for being in harm's way.!!

  42. ljscoutinfront says:

    need to step back and find other ways to help the current employers hire these individuals and not just in big cities or certain companies but the entire work force. Just adding a new program like this just sucks up lots of money and time, the individuals the design or get it up and going dont usually know what they are doing or want to cater to there desire so it takes long time to work bugs out or it just plain fails. lot of people with it or has control of it wants to throw money around and say i helped in reality only helps small portions. there are good programs out there but as always need to listen to the little man and alot could be solved. Make what we have better and not more complicated if anthing simplify. I know theres alot other things out there but if we better our current programs and find ways to help employers hire, part of issue solved.

  43. USMC2531 says:

    You really want to help our Veterans Mr. President, get the ball moving towards something that is as easy as a singel piece of paper. All the powers that be say we have the most highly skilled, and trained military we have ever seen, then why in wide wide world of all things common since do these highly trained individuals not have a certification in the military occupational specialty? It's just that dam simple, give them a certification that the civilian job market will accept so they can move on, and they will succeed. The civilians say I love the military men and women folks, but I'm sorry you don't have a degree or a certificate, thanks for your service, but get the hell out of my HR office. COME ON!

    • That would be very useful. I wish i would have had that when i got out…I probably would still be int he medical field and settled in on a career a lot soone than I did. I am a web developer now andlove my job, but i can really see where that would have helped.

      Former Army medic 1986-1989

  44. susations says:

    My son was just downsized out of the Army Jan 2012 and the Veteran's Retraining Assistance Program that is mentioned, is not offered out of FT. Lewis (JBLM) Washington and when asked about it, he was told that he'd have to utilize the retraining resources that the state was offering through unemployment. So, who gets what where, because not all departments, bases, posts are ran the same way from state to state.
    Air Force Vet

  45. Retired MSgt (USAF) says:

    What a joke!!! Here we have the President and other elected officials telling people to hire vets. Yet, the hypocrites are CUTTING federal jobs putting more people out into the job market and some of them are vets. And they are cutting the military and even more vets are looking for jobs. They are not solving any problems, they are creating them. WE THE PEOPLE need to send a clear message to our "elected officials" everywhere. THEY WORK FOR US, NOT FOR THEIR "PARTY" OR PERSONAL AGENDA. Perhaps we need to recall some of these MORONS to send a message.

  46. I'd like to compare the two plans and see which one is actually better. The GOP plan is about 75% cheaper, it's true, but does that mean vets only get 25% of the benefits compared to Obama's plan? And Rep. Miller has a good point: What happens when the money runs out? It'll run out faster under Obama's plan. It's something to think about. I'm a GOP by nature but I've applauded Obama's job efforts for veterans. Whether they're sincere or not, it's getting done.

  47. lorenzo says:

    I dont know about you, but id love to work in law enforcement, might as well stick to what i was trained in, you older vets have had time to adjust back, for us that just got home its the only thing i can bare doing. I may not keep up on politics because they are all liars i just like how far we have come as a nation to let a black man in the white house and to me thats change.

  48. top dog says:

    The repubs in the House will just shoot it down anyway, it's what they do.

  49. RetNAVYCPO says:

    The fact of the matter is that "Government spending" that so many GOP and conservatives complain about includes military spending as well as the retraining programs so you can't have it both ways. One of the biggest problems is that a ton of government money (our taxes) is being spent on the war efforts therefore the cuts are being made to the other civic programs such as teachers(increased class size), police(reduced numbers for safety), fireman etc. The civilian corporations and contractors who reap the lion’s share of the safety and stability of our country are not paying their share to make it, the profits continue to go the few at the top and they have no incentive to share. Our legislators continue to pursue their own selfish interest rather than those of their constituents and to be quite honest we are incapable of stopping them. More and more contracts have been awarded as a way to reduce the long term security of a government retirement while again the money is siphoned away by the CEO and top management of private contracting firms.

  50. trex11b4p says:

    smoke and mirrors. He is running to maintain his job not creating one for you. Promises change how much change do you have?

  51. Grackene says:

    Im a vet. I’ve never heard of VRAP. Could explain why not many people have applied for it. Not that the VA would grant it to you anyways. They do everything in their power to not pay out EVER

  52. melvin357 says:

    well it is ashame that everyone is thinking of the vets of IRAQ and AFGHN, there are other vets out there that have needs. i have been to many job fairs and they are just a joke. all u get is go on line, the sad part about this i even talk to VA reps and they even talk about age limits when it come to vet, i though they are suppose to help not tear down.we all have served for people freedom and this is the thinks..

  53. Fred Dameron says:

    What happened to troops to teachers? Got a BS in Life science ed, Biology, 4-8 science certified, 8-12 life science certified, live in TX. TX legislature decides 30 kids in public classrooms is fine lost my job after a year. Bottom line line unless you want to work for Disney, not bad job mind and no knock on them, you can't find work . NO ONE IS HIRING ANYBODY. Add in that a lot of HR people think Vet and PTSD are synonymous and we really have a problem. 23 years in AF.

  54. Jacquelyn Raymond says:

    SURE SURE I applied for a job at the VA Hospital Hire Center in Murfreesboro, TN. I applied online with the "MANAGER Huber, Christina L" who told me about the job and told me I would get the job, to wait for the call. Three weeks later I get an e-mail telling me I didn't respond, so, I would have to re-apply. I called Mrs Christina L. Huber who never answered responded to my messages. I then called HR Manager Tammy W. Watson and told her what happened and forwarded the e-mail to her. Tammy called back said she would get with Christina and find out what happened. I received a call from Christina and was told she remembered me and that the job was for employees only, and to apply for other jobs. Christina was only concerned that I become a part of WAVES Unit meeting? and wanted to make sure I contact Gloria J. Wix. AMAZING SERVE YOUR COUNTRY. If your from another country, or, don't speak English, you can get a job. Oh yes Obama why don't you send the rest of the jobs over seas and then cut off my unemployment when I don't have a job.

    • Jacquelyn Raymond says:

      I served 20 years in the Navy and then 10 years for IBM. You will not get my vote

  55. Jacquelyn Raymond says:

    SURE SURE I applied for a job at the VA Hospital Hire Center in Murfreesboro, TN. I applied online with the "MANAGER Huber, Christina L" who told me about the job and told me I would get the job, to wait for the call. Three weeks later I get an e-mail telling me I didn't respond, so, I would have to re-apply. I called Mrs Christina L. Huber who never answered responded to my messages. I then called HR Manager Tammy W. Watson and told her what happened and forwarded the e-mail to her. Tammy called back said she would get with Christina and find out what happened. I received a call from Christina and was told she remembered me and that the job was for employees only, and to apply for other jobs. Christina was only concerned that I become a part of WAVES Unit meeting? and wanted to make sure I contact Gloria J. Wix. AMAZING SERVE YOUR COUNTRY. If your from another country, or, don't speak English, you can get a job. Oh yes Obama why don't you send the rest of the jobs over seas and then cut off my unemployment when I don't have a job. 20 years retired from the Navy 10 years with IBM. Obama u suck

    • guest says:

      thats is correct he does not give a crap about the retirees or vets.

    • It's not Obama that is sending jobs overseas…it the corporations that are doing and getting rewarded with laws passed by republican congresses that give tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. While I have a lot of issues with Obama (NDAA, SIPA CSIPA, use of drones, etc…) he has done a lot more for Vets than republicans ever have. While Bush not only got us involved in 2 wars, he also slashed the VA budget and put his cronies in positions of power in the VA where they destroyed it. That is why we had all of those scandals during his admin. Obama has increase the budget every year for the VA and made treatment for PTSD and Angent Orange a priority. How can you, a person with honor, stand there and say he does care or hasn't done anything for vets? Lets give credit where credit is due and point your fingers int he right direction.

  56. Andrew says:

    1- At 50,000 a job I as a vet would rather have the cash and start my own business debt free than some crazy shtort term govt position that is not needed. Another thing the President should probably realize is the vets need to be lawyers, community organizers and politicians because they have all the time , money , power and skills need to spend others money and borrow endlessly from the Chinese.

  57. Jet5 says:

    As a retired Vet working for the government in Civil Service, we hire mostly prior vets. What I am disillusioned about is the waste of money, the promotion of many within the service that do not warrant it. There are programs that already in place that many vets are not utilizing or that are being abused by the corporations with the blessing of this administration by talking the talk but not walking the walk. We do NOT need more government subsidized programs. We need to utilize those already in place and enforce the companies to implement them correctly before throwing tax payer money their way! This looks like an election ploy by the President to me! Not impressed with the change which appears to be going in the wrong direction period!!!!!

  58. Shawn says:

    For Obama to make a program that supports Vets getting jobs as Police, Firefighters, and EMT’s is nice, but Vets are far more capable than just those things. What about the fact that just about every Vet who has been in any length of time has worked in an office environment at some point and probably knows the basics of using MS Office or how to order office supplies. Or the Vets that can repair jet engines, gas engines, Radar’s, computers, complex electrical and electronics systems, steam systems, nuclear systems, drive a ship, navigate at sea, fly a plane or a helo, repair plumbing, manage logistics, train others, repair telephones, manage communications with satellites, etc. Veterans are far more capable than Obama or the current job environment gives them credit for. We spent every day in the military discovering problems and finding solutions to those problems whether or not we knew what we were doing. If you didn’t know how to do something, you learned and found a way. There is no ‘can’t’ in the military, only try and try again. And in the end if there was nothing else to do, we trained and learned to do more. Veterans may not have been trained and given degrees or certificates, but they have more and much broader knowledge than any civilian, and are more reliable because they know what has to be done. I would rather hire and train a Vet than a whiny civilian any day.

  59. SmallFri says:

    Also as a Vet in agreement w/ most comments. It "sounds good" what President Obama is trying to accomplish. Unlike Previous Presidential staff! I appreciate his efforts & of course his goals. The program is not set just for "Law Enforcement." It offers us a good use of our skills acquired while serving to be applied outside the Mil. I'd like to get into the medical field, but the term "Over Qualified" does pertain to those of us who put Veteran on our resume; jobs other than be a dummy & shoot! It says to these employers (this person is strong willed / minded & may someday take your position) there for is a No-Hire. This program puts US-1st being that we signed over our life to our country at one point & were fortunate to come back to a somewhat normal life. WIll Govt. funding be set aside for us in the fortunate turn this legislation passes. Ways of accomplishment & suggestions are more helpful than the expectance "Govt. funding will run out" at some point leaving veterans who were able to participate with no "long term" position in that field of professionalism. How about we combine the Veterans Retraining Assistance and the Veteran Jobs Corps program together! Compile a solution to make the program/s Employ Veterans and provide long term funding / training for veterans to be properly trained on her/his career choice in a LONG TERM manor. Hoorah

  60. JERRY G PRINGLE says:

    gentilemen i must say reading all these negative comments on this policy that your president is trying to implement for improvig the life of our brothers at arms i find appalling. the current system is not working and can't continue much longer financially,if there is a way to offset the cost for health,disability by utilizing the talent from themilitary then by all means do it. every job inthe civilian sector is in the military ie; engineirs,police,doctors,truck drivers,and security guards , if the military job corps can give those a job and a better life,take them off the streets there are vets out there dont't want a hand out but would love an opp to work and earn self respect and a living. jgp fm south carolina i madethis very sugestion to the dir of vet affairs mr may about a year ago, also got negative response, my brothers something need to be done before the crash comes its on the way; last have any of you been to a va hosp lately, the defeated,unselfworthynes if thats a word is toxic there's some kind of job they can do and most bussiness can't and won't take the liability/insurence i think a vet job corp is a great idea tks jerry pringle s.c

  61. Leroy Maybin says:

    I am a retired Navy Master Chief Petty Officer living in the Orlando,FL area and finding work is not an easy task. Age discrimination is the problem that we face with the employment work force. I can pass any drug test and have been an upstanding citizen. I feel that a retired veteran should have just as many opportunities as ones being considered for post war vets. I just regret that I retired prior to 911.

  62. DHend2012 says:

    Grammar/Spelling Police

    Wow, I hope I don't have a typo here, I might be labeled as something you perceive as being a loser. BTW as to landscaping I have a cousin that makes a decent living doing that and he is a very respectable and educated man.

  63. Chris Porter says:

    'MITT ROMNEY (WRONGMY)," is the best and "BOLDEST LIAR" Ever to run for elected office. If this COMPULSIVE, NON-RELIGIOUS, CULT YIELDING MAN. If he (ROMNEY) WINS the Presidential Election, some of you guys who are rallying for "ROMNEY." Will get a true awakening when he goes on steroids like "George W.Bush." ROMNEY do not CARE ABOUT THE "POOR." He said it himself. Obama all the way "BABY." OBAMA love the poor and veterans.

  64. Pat Bledsoe says:

    i hear you…as a VET and FIREFIGHTER who was laid off and now struggling to find a new FD job, i dont see the end result being what it should be…all around the country Firehouses are closing or being "browned out"…hmmm OBAMA BIN LADEN needs to make it happen before i will be a believer

  65. Chris Porter says:

    Finally, some "Veterans," are waking up and seeing the true picture of the GOP and their strategy. They do not like "VETERANS." They are attacking "POLICE OFFICERS,""FIREFIGHTERS," and other public employees, they attack these folks, how "VETERAN," expect to get jobs when they return? Finally,, veterans are seeing the truth, OBAMA cares about them, because his grandfather served in "Patten's Army." MITT ROMNEY nor any "ROMNEY'S," never served in the military. ROMNEY cannot emphasize with us, OBAMA can!

  66. Andrew Heil says:

    Since my retirement, Feb 2011, this all I have been trying to do is to go into law enforcement. Several issues came to light, 1st, Congress set the age limits, so according to the municipal and state organizations I am too old. 2nd, neither the training or experience I have received in law enforcement(Military Police/Military Police Investigations) is not recognized at all. 3rd, non of the college credits I earned in the military do not count either.
    So, what ever program they plan on, it is way too late for most of us. i am also a disabled veteran, with a family to support, and I have some limitations, as many others do. All I have received was lip service, nothing else.

  67. jaws says:

    I don't know what all tyou are crying about. You served you were paid you got out make a way out of no way up under over through if you have to . thats what my U.S.M.C. SERVICE DID FOR ME .THE POTUS is doing everything he can to help all amerians. So do what you do and get it done people. I think its good for starting, and you can go to school also. think people

  68. Ed says:

    Miller, maybe you need to relook at Veterans Retraining Assistance Program! This program is aimed EXCLUSIVELY at older Veterans. I used up my Montgomery and Post 9/11 bens for multimedia educational degree, only to have had, over the last few years, most of the companies not hiring, due to the continual bad state of the economy. This could a better option for younger veterans. I doubt I’m the only Veteran who pursued a degree like this, only to see that there aren’t many openings, and would like the opportunity for something like this!

  69. pusherman says:

    Jeff Miller is not well represented here and as a vet and as a citizen, i would rather see a veterans job corp focus on college and vocational training for veterans to transition them to the private sector where their leadership and skills are needed most and they are paid for what they are worth.

    Dumping vets on cities struggling to raise property taxes while they are cutting services is not a good thing for our nation's veterans and Miller has a point. Pay for the positions of firefighter, cop, EMT are very low and these are union jobs where advancement opportunities are not many and the benefits are declining. Enslaving people to the union is what Obama is about.

    Empower these veterans to seek higher education as engineers, scientists, mathematicians, and finance people and you will see the veteran thrive and give more back to his community. These are jobs that pay and they go all over the world too, using cultural skills and understanding the vets have returning from overseas duty. These are the jobs veterans really need and these jobs need veterans the most.

  70. Hotrod1 says:

    Yep I am a disable Veteran Retired Military from the Vietnam War, I haven't had a job since the 1980s because I told the truth on the application about my disability from Vietnam..The same going to happen to these young War Vets…

  71. Morris Oldham says:

    This is from the man who recently said that soldiers were new what they were in for when they joined, and should be responsible for their own health care. There are already jobs programs. I think this a "Re-elect Me" program

    Retired, Disabled Vet

  72. J. LaBarge Bryan says:

    Here's an idea that is not new – but came out as Science Fiction – and I totally agree with the concept. EVERYONE WHO HOLDS GOVERNMENT OFFICE OF ANY NATURE MUST SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES MILITARY FOR A MANDATED MINIMUM OF 6 YEARS – ENLISTED TIME!! Anyone who wants to vote – has to serve at least 4 years of mandated United States military service. Any guesses as to the name of the science fiction movie? Just remember, what used to be science fiction is now science fact.
    A 19 yr, 7 mo, 14 d enlisted Army soldier & a USAR LTC, MI Corps

  73. gunny's better half says:

    Did Obama serve? Fiscal responsibility is everyone's responsibility, especially ours. When will vets use the resources they already have in place and stop wanting more programs? We're getting as bad as welfare. We are stronger than that. We don't need more political crap, we need to stand on our own. Obama has no desire to help the military, only to get their votes.

  74. ArmyRetiree says:

    I too am a vet (retired Army), Vietnam and Laos, and I disagree with you. I'm sure the GOP would allow the president a victory if he ever comes up with a decent idea. You can be sure that he has an ulterior motive behind anything this president does, usually to assure his reelection (God forbid). All vet are already authorized to participate in the Veterans Retraining Program. This new program will do nothing to provide long term employment and , with possible exception of police, firefighter and medic employment, all the remainder are low paying temporary laborer positions. Obviously your a democrat and like so many other democrats
    you accept anything the joker in the white house says without argument or any attempt to obtain the facts, as they really are and not just how he says they are.

  75. Patrick says:

    Why make this a Partisian arguement? Just suffice it to say, We as Veterans need to stand up and ensure something positive happens to allow our vets to gain employment along with usable skills to do so.

  76. Philip says:

    What I can’t understand is why everyone in the public sector puts up with the the unfairness of all of the great benifts city,state, and federal employees get. I mean almost 80% of American gets there paychecks from tax payers. I mean think about it you have ever politician, governor, Mayor, President and Vice president past and current, C.I.A, F.B.I,ICE, NSA, The Police- city and state, Sheriffs, Teachers, Boarder Patrol, State employees, government employees, Navy,Airforce,Marines,Army, National Gaurd, Coast Gaurd! Crap Im sure there’s many more that I can’t think of or know about but tax payers pay for millions and miliions of Salaries, pensions and benifits and I think it’s time for me to get a state or government job because being in the private sector you don’t get **** for pay, or benifits. I put in almost ten years with a company and I don’t have crap for health care or any kind of retirement or pension like I would have, if I would have if I had put my time in a state or government job. So it’s time for fairness!

  77. Philip says:

    What I can’t understand is why everyone in the public sector puts up with the the unfairness of all of the great benifts city,state, and federal employees get. I mean almost 80% of American gets there paychecks from tax payers. I mean think about it you have ever politician, governor, Mayor, President and Vice president past and current, C.I.A, F.B.I,ICE, NSA, The Police- city and state, Sheriffs, Teachers, Boarder Patrol, State employees, government employees, Navy,Airforce,Marines,Army, National Gaurd, Coast Gaurd! Crap Im sure there’s many more that I can’t think of or know about but tax payers pay for millions and miliions of Salaries, pensions and benifits and I think it’s time for me to get a state or government job because being in the private sector you don’t get **** for pay, or benifits. I put in almost ten years with a company and I don’t have crap for health care or any kind of retirement or pension like I would have, if I would have if I had put my time in a state or government job. So it’s time for fairness!

  78. Bluizevet says:

    Jeff Miller is a coward draft dodging PUNK from the 60's

  79. Mike56thSPS says:

    Hang in their DOC, it's easy to see who wants to give the little everyone has left to the 1%, they are the ones who are defending the Republican austerity line, it's just a sickness.

  80. jeff says:

    Most of these guys talk but never served, go figure.

    Vietnam Vet

  81. Probably not Doc. I too am a veteran and find it sickening how the GOP lies to use us to show just how patriotic they are and then when the are done, they throw us under the bus. Can we finally drop the BS about how patriot the GOP is or how they care about the military or vets? It is obvious they don;t give a rat's behind about us. When are people going to open thier eyes and see the GOP for the traitors and fascists that they are?

  82. Frank Brown says:

    “The GOP wont allow the President a victory even at the cost of veterans. I am a vet, and VFW member. This is not good for the contry, or those who served.”
    Did Jeff Miller serve?

    Doc,
    Really? Jeff Miller’s idea far out weighs the President idea. All he wants to do is spend, spend, spend…. and what do we get out of all of this??? Debt, debt, debt. I am all for helping vets get back on there feet…. but at some point they have to stand on their own feet and quit expecting everyone to GIVE them something. I am a vet with 27 years military service active and reserves and had no problem finding a job in Federal Law Enforcement.

  83. NAVYSAR says:

    Did Pres. Obama Serve??? They are politicians and just when Obama is sinking in the Vet polls he is trying to shore up his popularity.
    Vet job Corps is another way to grow Government and waste money. Incentivize the private sector to hire Vets, no Corps. Getting Gov. involved will only result in large Gov. contractors hiring vets to get the kick back or write off, and you will be a mushroom…sitting in the dark office corner being fed s**t, not how I would want a job.
    I served 6 yrs. active, went to college on a shoddy GI bill and vet. grant, stayed in the res. to subsidize my money for college, worked a full time job also, got a job and paid down two college loans on my own. If a program need fixed then fix it, don't create another program and fund both…Oh, wait…hasn't this president done this already!?!

  84. Cooleemee Edd says:

    Cops and firefighters, OK. Don't create government jobs that cost the taxpayers. Cut taxes on business and grow the economy in a real way that our grandchildren won't have to pay for. Let's get out of national debt, people!

  85. No Luck Chuck says:

    your right he only wants the military votes. But the programs in place don't even work they need to get a program in place that really works would be great.

  86. the wize 1 says:

    Just because we already have flak jackets doesn't mean we do not need newer ones that are more efficient, like wise, the vrap crap, needs to be updated. If a new program is the answer, so be it.

  87. Jerrell says:

    Maybe if people would hire us, this legislation wouldn't be needed. I have 17 years in IT in the military and have worked in pretty much every facet of the IT world. I even ran the entire IT/Comms for our unit while in Iraq and that was not easy.
    I have a BGS in Sociology with other emphases in MIS and Environmental Science. I have served as a leader in the military and I volunteer my expertise. Currently, I am setting up a business center for my apt complex.
    USAJOBS is a joke and we all know it. Employers give me a first interview, which always goes well, then I get an email a week later saying they chose someone else.
    I have at TS/SCI clearance and cannot even land a job as an IT Manager at STRATCOM, which is less than 20 minutes from where I live.
    So yes, we DO need more political intervention. Some of us CANNOT stand on our own despite our best efforts. Obama is the best CINC I have ever served under. He has his finger on the pulse much better than the last two presidents. Who cares if he never had to serve? GW shirked true service. Even Prince Harry served on the ground in Afghanistan. An English prince has bigger balls than the son of oil.

    Oh yeah, and Jeff Miller? He gets a pension for serving in the government, but I am fighting to either get a full medical retirement at 17 years of service in the military or ride out the rest of my time in the IRR doing online courses to get enough points for a "good year" each year.

  88. the wize 1 says:

    are you out of the military Gunny?

  89. liberty blue says:

    Amen Gunny..just the other day the president wanted to cut military pay now this vote gettin proposal?they have been calling us terrorist and if u would spend time to review his and his admininstrations thoughts on the military you will see this is a desperate ploy to gain votes. Come on, we all need to remembeR he’s a politician, look at the big picture and Never Quit doing the right thing.We as a country are better then standing on the side of thE road with our hands outjust waiting.We take action, we r stong, …

  90. I think these guys defending this nation is the biggest and most expensive welfare there is. And now you don't give a $^mn about their welfare or their families. But I bet you are the first to say " honor the troops". It's about Obama to you. I'm a vet with an MBA and those VA programs are inefficient . I spent almost three years on one. It's about time for vets to tell America that defending these people that are quick to war and then turn their backs on those that serve is nothing more than a con game. Young men and women in the armed forces. You are being suckered. I have been there and seen their programs.

  91. Ret Vet says:

    Do you now any politician (regardless of party) not with a ulterior motive?

  92. Unemployed Vet says:

    I also have IT qualifications up the wazu and cant land a job either, but Obama is not the answer. His entire term he has been taking shots at our own military (ie. Cutting military budgets, healthcare, ect.) Until now when he wants to get re-elected…… if it were anyone but him, I may give it a second thought.

  93. USNCPORET says:

    Nicely said.

  94. USNCPORET says:

    I concur. After retiring, I volunteered with the local fire department and love it. Volunteering goes just so far however and good retraining/apprenticeship programs are sorely needed. The focus was to do our job excellently while serving but not to fund adequately after service. $16,000 is helpful but doesn't address mortgages, grocery, health care co-pays, etc that sailors, soldiers and airmen still are obligated to address. Even with my new degree, it's no guarantee to get a job without experience in the new field. Addressing skill sets vets already possess is practical, sensible, fiscally wise. The GI-Bill already helps vets take a different path if they choose. Let's focus on using our talents helping us continue to support our country at the local level.

  95. Jim Harper says:

    Try Booz. Allen Hamilton. They are looking for IT specialists.

  96. RETNAVCPO says:

    There is no real interest in helping veterans to be employed because that would mean depriving someone else of a job, not that there isn’t a need but to hire a vet would in most cases mean someone else has to go without or have less (god forbid it be one with a six figure salary). The whole system will need to be restructured and the time to do it was when the wars started instead somehow we paid for it on credit and continued to fund the lifestyles of a few who in reality did not need it which has nothing to do with the current administration other than their complacency.

  97. Poppy says:

    I don't recall a draft being in place that required you to go serve against your will … and if you are a 100% disabled combat vet you are being well paid and don't need a job either!!

  98. Frank Brown says:

    go work for a living and stop waiting for handouts…. pathetic that you identified yourself as an AF Cop!

  99. Larry says:

    What President passed the 9/11 GI Bill? Pays for college and gives you a stipend. How much more do you want. I noticed above that someone applied for an IT Manager position and did not get it, I bet if you applied for the IT Specialist position you would have better luck. I retired 6 years ago and got into government service in a starter position and have worked my way up, completed a Masters Degree in my field of employment and continue to work my way up. Just do not assume that you will start at the top you will have to prove yourself first.

  100. Ed says:

    Exactly!!

    And is it wrong, to seek help, gunny? We literally put life and limb on the line, and comparing that to people who sit on their porches all day, doing nothing but collecting government money, is insulting. The Vets seeking help, are actually trying to do something, and are looking for a “hand up,” not a “hand out.”

  101. Warren says:

    Really, you don’t even know how to spell “country” or know the difference between “there” and “their.” You should use your GI Bill and to back to school and get a degree in English! You probably still would not be employable, but at least you wouldn’t write like a fifth grader.

  102. Zappattazz says:

    @Frank: How did you feel during the 8 years of the Bush administration? All he did was "spend, spend, spend…. and what do we get out of all of this??? Debt, debt, debt."

    This program doesn't "GIVE" any veteran a thing. It provides veterans with an avenue to match their skill-set with companies that are eager to employ veterans!

    After 27 years of military service, what job did you land in "Federal Law Enforcement"? Is it the exact same job you had been doing while in the military? Are you working for a military contractor?

  103. Zappattazz says:

    @Frank: Tell us EXACTLY where to go to work for a living and that will be hired immediately! Join reality! The "new" jobs aren't available and the "old" jobs are being eliminated to increase the profit margin of the CEOs! We're not waiting for handouts — we want to work but companies aren't hiring!

  104. Zappattazz says:

    If someone is making replies via a cellphone, the autocorrect feature can inadvertently change spellings. In reality, you understood what he was trying to say so cut people so slack when you see misspelled words!

  105. Zappattazz says:

    I guess you won't be voting for Romney then since he didn't serve either. In fact, he hasn't done anything to improve the record number of unemployed or homeless veterans!

    BTW: The Vet Job Corp is the method to "incentivize" the private sector to hire vets!

    Why only 6 years active? Couldn't hack the 24/7/365 commitment to your country?

  106. Zappattazz says:

    Were you this vocal during the 8 years of the Bush administration when the national debt was skyrocketing? Why are you hyping so much about "growing" our economy now?